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In edgy debate, Cynthia Nixon and Andrew Cuomo trade barbs

He told her to stop interrupting. She told him to stop lying.

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August 30, 2018 at 3:03 p.m. EDT

Adapted from a story by The Washington Post’s David Weigel.

The 60-minute verbal brawl began with the subway. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Cynthia Nixon, his Democratic primary challenger, argued points from public transit to public-sector union strikes during their first and only debate Wednesday.

Early on, Nixon, an actress and activist who has never run for public office, called the governor, who is seeking his third term, a “corporate, corrupt Democrat.”

She said the city’s struggling transportation system is “Cuomo’s MTA,” stating that he left it underfunded.

“He used the MTA like an ATM, and we see the result,” she said.

Cuomo responded by promising “a couple of facts, not that they’re all that relevant,” and Nixon accused him of dissembling about the state’s ownership of the city’s transportation system, a perennial cause of argument.

“Can you stop interrupting?” Cuomo said.

“Can you stop lying?” Nixon replied.

“Yeah, as soon as you do,” the governor said.

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Cuomo surprised Nixon by going negative, ripping into his challenger as a phony who concealed her tax records (she has not) and would run the state into debt-driven chaos. Nixon, who is unlikely to have another chance to debate Cuomo before the Sept. 13 primary, responded with scorn and bafflement. He accused her of peddling “fiction, not facts” — an unsubtle reference to her work as an actress — and unloaded from the opposition research file.

At one point, he cited a quote Nixon had given to the New York Times, saying that she might not have run against someone such as former New York mayor Michael R. Bloomberg.

“I said I would not run against him because he is not corrupt like you are,” Nixon said.

“Well then, he would be governor,” Cuomo said.

It was something of a triumph for Nixon that the debate happened at all. In 2014, Cuomo did not debate Zephyr Teachout, a law professor who ran an anti-corruption campaign against him, starting an electoral career that has continued into this year’s race for attorney general.

Cuomo did give Nixon a full hour to debate him at Hofstra University, a frequent host of presidential debates, which do not typically feature as much crowd work.

“How am I with labor?” Cuomo asked at one point Wednesday night, prompting cheers from union workers in the crowd.

Nixon, the candidate of activists who want to dismantle the conservative wing of the state’s Democratic Party, was largely able to deliver that message. Pressed on her plan to bring universal health care to New York, she spent 90 seconds walking through its potential fiscal effect. Asked about making it easier for workers to strike, Nixon said that she would empower people who simply want fair wages and see no other resort.

“Workers don’t want to strike,” she said. “Workers only strike when they have no other recourse.”

Cuomo, who has been even more dismissive of Nixon than he was of Teachout, portrayed his opponent as a head-in-the-clouds socialist. She couldn’t just “snap her fingers” and enact policies like ethics reform, he said.

“If you allow the public-sector unions to strike, teachers could go on strike,” he said. “There would be no school, children wouldn’t be educated. It would clearly be mayhem.”

After assuring viewers that Nixon’s agenda was unworkable, Cuomo set about portraying her as a phony. While Nixon had released five years of tax returns, Cuomo crowed that “only Donald Trump” had done less. Nixon seemed ready to counterpunch — Cuomo had not released his own tax returns until cruising to victory in 2010 — and seemed to be taken aback as Cuomo insisted that her clean reputation had been a lie.

“You are a corporation,” he said.

“I am a person,” said Nixon, to applause.

“And you’re a corporation,” said Cuomo.

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The governor’s point, made frequently through the debate, was that Nixon had formed an LLC for tax purposes as an actress with lumpy sources of income. “Working men and women don’t have corporations,” Cuomo said. He returned to the attack several times, while Nixon explained that she would be a more reliable progressive and would try to turn New York into a model for that kind of governance instead of one in which moderate Democrats cut deals with Republicans.

“My opponent is upset with the Koch brothers because they’re the only ones who take more corporate money than she does,” said Cuomo, a zinger that made little sense when aimed at Nixon. (The governor has amassed one of the largest reelection funds in state history in part with the support of business PACs that favor his policies.)

Between the zingers, both candidates had chances to present different visions of government. Cuomo described himself as a progressive who had won real victories against the Trump administration. Nixon sketched out a future where, while paying higher taxes, New Yorkers could receive universal health care, higher wages and criminal justice reform, starting with legalized marijuana.

“Marijuana has been legal for white people for a long time,” Nixon said. “It’s time to make it legal for everyone else.”

Cuomo, who has advertised several leftward policy shifts since Nixon began threatening to run, responded sometimes by saying he was already achieving what she proposed, and sometimes saying she would leave voters ruined. Statewide universal health care, he said, “reminds me of the story of the doctor who says, ‘If you survive the operation, you’re going to have a long, healthy life.’ “